I've been considering what is the point of seduction and what is preferred if I were creating the best seduction community possible. Not that I am... I feel I'm gaining ground on understanding what I really desire in partnership... however, this is a fun exercise for me to consider so here it is:
I got a great reminder that we can have an inner commitment to our inner game to be a stand to uplift one another and that is VERY SEXY!
To this recipe I'm creating today, I add to the conversation, a piece from David Deida. I know David Deida speaks about First Stage, Second Stage and Third Stage men... I have a rough idea of what Deida is talking about...
Most recently, I have been interacting with men who are a few years younger than me, after having primarily been lovers with men who were 20 + years older than me.
The differences are astounding!
From a woman's point of view, until both a man and a woman really understand the landscape of what is available to him and to her in terms of the kinds of openings he/she can have, neither can choose a partner or partners who can create context and environment for him/ for her to open as we would all hopefully intend for ourselves... that our openings would only allow us to live in greater love and peace within ourselves.
I'll now speak soley for the feminine side of things: Her somewhat mysterious need is to pass safely through the gnarly underbelly, an "underbelly" which is leading her to greater opening, shedding somatic layers of ancient confusion in her cellular memory and, in instances where she is with a partner experienced enough to understand this journey, he is the grounding, the healer, the shaman, the lifeline and the comforter, giving her the support and encouragement to face the fears and go through the storm of emotions and ego manifestations that might and most likely will arise. By going through that, she is more at peace in the realms of her own embodiment of the unique spiritual reflection she is, both for herself and for her purpose for the collective... and, again, this goes both ways... men have these kinds of openings as well... And it is a very provocative conversation to me about the ways we are shown, what we learn and the spirit by which we undertake learning and sharing our gifts to open one another.
After watching ENTHEOGENESIS ~ AWAKENING THE DIVINE WITHIN, I am more and more beginning to wonder if the seduction community (a community among many embracing open sexual relatedness) is simply our culture's attempt at a best answer to our groping in the dark to replace sacred **indigenous** tribal ritual and ceremonies.
The openings one can experience in the context of ceremony and ritual as seen in the film supply much of what I am finding missing at large in the current culture, including:
1. a tribe, community of witnesses to the journey of initiation (therefore, a larger container and perhaps, greater safety for individuals)
2. A collective understanding of why the initiation is important, why it happens when it does, what the possibilities are on the other side of the initiation
3. Transparency ~ generally, the shamans leading the rituals, ceremonies, are well known over a long period of time for their successes in establishing health and wellbeing ((spiritually as well as physically)) for members of the group... consider the setting on a day to day basis: the shamans' lives are witnessed day in and day out by that community/tribe and there is real time interaction going on between the shamans and the non shamans... treatments of tribal members is on display to some extent to everyone... the guidance and vision of the shamans also observed and on display to the entire group, from elders to babies...
4. Entering into the realms of ecstasy ((this makes more sense after watching the DVD)) on the part of the participants, is well protected and supported by the tribal members. I also am aware now after watching the DVD 7 times, that there is a very real oneness state created in which members are in resonance, **entrained** by the drum beat with one another, so even if you are not the one undergoing the ritual, you are in oneness with the entire process. This means all members matter and all members are more likely in agreement to full participation.
5. the three phases of any initiation are 1. preparation 2. the experience itself 3. the processing afterwards. This means that the whole group/tribe recognizes the importance of integration as it might signal evolution for the entire group.
Gotta run for now!
I'd be interested to hear what others have to say on this subject...
I got a great reminder that we can have an inner commitment to our inner game to be a stand to uplift one another and that is VERY SEXY!
To this recipe I'm creating today, I add to the conversation, a piece from David Deida. I know David Deida speaks about First Stage, Second Stage and Third Stage men... I have a rough idea of what Deida is talking about...
Most recently, I have been interacting with men who are a few years younger than me, after having primarily been lovers with men who were 20 + years older than me.
The differences are astounding!
From a woman's point of view, until both a man and a woman really understand the landscape of what is available to him and to her in terms of the kinds of openings he/she can have, neither can choose a partner or partners who can create context and environment for him/ for her to open as we would all hopefully intend for ourselves... that our openings would only allow us to live in greater love and peace within ourselves.
I'll now speak soley for the feminine side of things: Her somewhat mysterious need is to pass safely through the gnarly underbelly, an "underbelly" which is leading her to greater opening, shedding somatic layers of ancient confusion in her cellular memory and, in instances where she is with a partner experienced enough to understand this journey, he is the grounding, the healer, the shaman, the lifeline and the comforter, giving her the support and encouragement to face the fears and go through the storm of emotions and ego manifestations that might and most likely will arise. By going through that, she is more at peace in the realms of her own embodiment of the unique spiritual reflection she is, both for herself and for her purpose for the collective... and, again, this goes both ways... men have these kinds of openings as well... And it is a very provocative conversation to me about the ways we are shown, what we learn and the spirit by which we undertake learning and sharing our gifts to open one another.
After watching ENTHEOGENESIS ~ AWAKENING THE DIVINE WITHIN, I am more and more beginning to wonder if the seduction community (a community among many embracing open sexual relatedness) is simply our culture's attempt at a best answer to our groping in the dark to replace sacred **indigenous** tribal ritual and ceremonies.
The openings one can experience in the context of ceremony and ritual as seen in the film supply much of what I am finding missing at large in the current culture, including:
1. a tribe, community of witnesses to the journey of initiation (therefore, a larger container and perhaps, greater safety for individuals)
2. A collective understanding of why the initiation is important, why it happens when it does, what the possibilities are on the other side of the initiation
3. Transparency ~ generally, the shamans leading the rituals, ceremonies, are well known over a long period of time for their successes in establishing health and wellbeing ((spiritually as well as physically)) for members of the group... consider the setting on a day to day basis: the shamans' lives are witnessed day in and day out by that community/tribe and there is real time interaction going on between the shamans and the non shamans... treatments of tribal members is on display to some extent to everyone... the guidance and vision of the shamans also observed and on display to the entire group, from elders to babies...
4. Entering into the realms of ecstasy ((this makes more sense after watching the DVD)) on the part of the participants, is well protected and supported by the tribal members. I also am aware now after watching the DVD 7 times, that there is a very real oneness state created in which members are in resonance, **entrained** by the drum beat with one another, so even if you are not the one undergoing the ritual, you are in oneness with the entire process. This means all members matter and all members are more likely in agreement to full participation.
5. the three phases of any initiation are 1. preparation 2. the experience itself 3. the processing afterwards. This means that the whole group/tribe recognizes the importance of integration as it might signal evolution for the entire group.
Gotta run for now!
I'd be interested to hear what others have to say on this subject...
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Hmmm... I'm intrigued by this Entheogenesis and will check it out. I also really like your discussion of having a tribe, a witnessing, an initiation. This is part of what intrigues me I suppose about polyamory... and blogging, for that matter. The idea of sharing experiences.
Hi there Erika! I thought you might like that! Yeah, me too! I guess it comes down to the ability to feel completely connected/safe ((rooted, known, family, bonded, grounded, accepted, cultivated, connected, interwoven, completely part of, oneness)) inside of tribe and to go together into the ecstasy and to then be able to bring whatever comes in that state back to share with the whole collective... I wonder what that kind of oneness feels like over long spans of time?
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